help needed: Error 10038 on socket

[Tiemo Hollmann TB]

Hello, first of all I want to thank you all great list members who were so
patient and helpful with me questions and problems. On April 1st I released
my first real app with rev and without you I would have never managed it, no
way! Now it is in the market and as with all new products first problems and
bugs appear, though I had a 3month beta test phase of extensive tests.



My most urgent problem is "error 10038 on socket" when trying to execute:

put url http//user:***@myserverandpath/foo.php into result



This php wants to connect to a mysql db. On most Win and Mac machines my
script runs without any problems, but now I get several customers with this
error and they cant start my app (because the result of this php is
mandatory). I tried to switch off the firewall and anti virus with one
privat customer and to route around a proxy server at a school installation.
But in booth cases the error remaind the same. Who refuses the connection to
my php? What does this socket problem tells me? Is there anything I can code
different?



Has anybody an idea what is happening here and where a starting point could
be for further researches?



Any help and hints highly appreciated

Tiemo

[Luis]

Hiya,

Shouldn't that be ftp?

Other than that it could be a driver problem. Which version/Patch
level of Windows?

Cheers,

Luis.

Post by Tiemo Hollmann TB
Hello, first of all I want to thank you all great list members who were so
patient and helpful with me questions and problems. On April 1st I released
my first real app with rev and without you I would have never
managed it, no
way! Now it is in the market and as with all new products first problems and
bugs appear, though I had a 3month beta test phase of extensive tests.
This php wants to connect to a mysql db. On most Win and Mac
machines my
script runs without any problems, but now I get several customers with this
error and they cant start my app (because the result of this php is
mandatory). I tried to switch off the firewall and anti virus with one
privat customer and to route around a proxy server at a school
installation.
But in booth cases the error remaind the same. Who refuses the
connection to
my php? What does this socket problem tells me? Is there anything I can code
different?
Has anybody an idea what is happening here and where a starting point could
be for further researches?
Any help and hints highly appreciated
Tiemo
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[Luis]

Ooops, working on two machines at the moment and neglected to add:

Is this happening on different OS's? If so, it could be that the
server is blocking connection attempts if it's detecting that your
clients are logging in 'too frequently', some are set to timeout
after 30 minutes to allow another attempt to log in.

How often does the app/client log in?

Cheers,

Luis.

Post by Luis
Hiya,
Shouldn't that be ftp?
Other than that it could be a driver problem. Which version/Patch
level of Windows?
Cheers,
Luis.

Post by Tiemo Hollmann TB
Hello, first of all I want to thank you all great list members who were so
patient and helpful with me questions and problems. On April 1st I released
my first real app with rev and without you I would have never
managed it, no
way! Now it is in the market and as with all new products first problems and
bugs appear, though I had a 3month beta test phase of extensive tests.
This php wants to connect to a mysql db. On most Win and Mac
machines my
script runs without any problems, but now I get several customers with this
error and they cant start my app (because the result of this php is
mandatory). I tried to switch off the firewall and anti virus with one
privat customer and to route around a proxy server at a school installation.
But in booth cases the error remaind the same. Who refuses the connection to
my php? What does this socket problem tells me? Is there anything I can code
different?
Has anybody an idea what is happening here and where a starting point could
be for further researches?
Any help and hints highly appreciated
Tiemo
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[Jim Bufalini]

Hi Tiemo,
Could it be as simple as forgetting the colon after http? ;-)

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini

[Tiemo Hollmann TB]

Hi Luis,
both clients have Win XP, at least one of them SP3 (what works on my
machines with SP3 without problems)

Why should it be ftp? Up to now http works fine.

The client is supposed to log in only once at startup. So I can't see any
"too frequently".

A driver problem? Which drivers do you think of?

Do you know, if the internet libraries of runrev regard the windows network
settings, like proxy and DNS? Or do they try to make their own way?

Thanks
Tiemo

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Gesendet: Freitag, 3. April 2009 14:58
An: How to use Revolution
Betreff: Re: help needed: Error 10038 on socket
Is this happening on different OS's? If so, it could be that the
server is blocking connection attempts if it's detecting that your
clients are logging in 'too frequently', some are set to timeout
after 30 minutes to allow another attempt to log in.
How often does the app/client log in?
Cheers,
Luis.

Post by Luis
Hiya,
Shouldn't that be ftp?
Other than that it could be a driver problem. Which version/Patch
level of Windows?
Cheers,
Luis.

Post by Tiemo Hollmann TB
Hello, first of all I want to thank you all great list members who
were so
patient and helpful with me questions and problems. On April 1st I
released
my first real app with rev and without you I would have never
managed it, no
way! Now it is in the market and as with all new products first
problems and
bugs appear, though I had a 3month beta test phase of extensive
tests.
My most urgent problem is "error 10038 on socket" when trying to
This php wants to connect to a mysql db. On most Win and Mac
machines my
script runs without any problems, but now I get several customers
with this
error and they cant start my app (because the result of this php is
mandatory). I tried to switch off the firewall and anti virus with
one
privat customer and to route around a proxy server at a school
installation.
But in booth cases the error remaind the same. Who refuses the
connection to
my php? What does this socket problem tells me? Is there anything
I can code
different?
Has anybody an idea what is happening here and where a starting
point could
be for further researches?
Any help and hints highly appreciated
Tiemo
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[Luis]

Hiya,

I was assuming ftp because all the username:password setups I use are
ftp.

'The client is supposed to log in only once at startup.' Ok, but can
they manually attempt logins? They may be tripping the blocking
feature, although I've only experienced that with ftp servers.

I thought it might be a problem with winsock, which would need the
TCP/IP service removed and reinstalled, but that would be more likely
with older machines.

As per the driver: The driver for the network card (or wireless
card). Maybe reinstalling that?

I would leave the winsock and driver issues until the end.

Can you get a copy of the Event Log to see what actually is reported
at the system level?

Cheers,

Luis.

Post by Tiemo Hollmann TB
Hi Luis,
both clients have Win XP, at least one of them SP3 (what works on my
machines with SP3 without problems)
Why should it be ftp? Up to now http works fine.
The client is supposed to log in only once at startup. So I can't see any
"too frequently".
A driver problem? Which drivers do you think of?
Do you know, if the internet libraries of runrev regard the windows network
settings, like proxy and DNS? Or do they try to make their own way?
Thanks
Tiemo

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Gesendet: Freitag, 3. April 2009 14:58
An: How to use Revolution
Betreff: Re: help needed: Error 10038 on socket
Is this happening on different OS's? If so, it could be that the
server is blocking connection attempts if it's detecting that your
clients are logging in 'too frequently', some are set to timeout
after 30 minutes to allow another attempt to log in.
How often does the app/client log in?
Cheers,
Luis.

Post by Luis
Hiya,
Shouldn't that be ftp?
Other than that it could be a driver problem. Which version/Patch
level of Windows?
Cheers,
Luis.

Post by Tiemo Hollmann TB
Hello, first of all I want to thank you all great list members who
were so
patient and helpful with me questions and problems. On April 1st I
released
my first real app with rev and without you I would have never
managed it, no
way! Now it is in the market and as with all new products first
problems and
bugs appear, though I had a 3month beta test phase of extensive
tests.
My most urgent problem is "error 10038 on socket" when trying to
This php wants to connect to a mysql db. On most Win and Mac
machines my
script runs without any problems, but now I get several customers
with this
error and they cant start my app (because the result of this php is
mandatory). I tried to switch off the firewall and anti virus with
one
privat customer and to route around a proxy server at a school
installation.
But in booth cases the error remaind the same. Who refuses the
connection to
my php? What does this socket problem tells me? Is there anything
I can code
different?
Has anybody an idea what is happening here and where a starting
point could
be for further researches?
Any help and hints highly appreciated
Tiemo
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[Tiemo Hollmann TB]

Good morning Hawaii :)
Noop, that was just a typo in the mail. (Would have been too nice:))

But I have special signs in my password. Could that be a reason for some
systems to refuse the pw? Anybody any idea?

Thanks
Tiemo

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Gesendet: Freitag, 3. April 2009 15:04
An: 'How to use Revolution'
Betreff: RE: help needed: Error 10038 on socket
Hi Tiemo,

Post by Tiemo Hollmann TB
My most urgent problem is "error 10038 on socket" when trying to

Could it be as simple as forgetting the colon after http? ;-)
Aloha from Hawaii,
Jim Bufalini
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[Tiemo Hollmann TB]

Good idea with the event log, I'll check it this evening with one of the
customers.
Tiemo

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Gesendet: Freitag, 3. April 2009 15:43
An: How to use Revolution
Betreff: Re: AW: help needed: Error 10038 on socket
Hiya,
I was assuming ftp because all the username:password setups I use are
ftp.
'The client is supposed to log in only once at startup.' Ok, but can
they manually attempt logins? They may be tripping the blocking
feature, although I've only experienced that with ftp servers.
I thought it might be a problem with winsock, which would need the
TCP/IP service removed and reinstalled, but that would be more likely
with older machines.
As per the driver: The driver for the network card (or wireless
card). Maybe reinstalling that?
I would leave the winsock and driver issues until the end.
Can you get a copy of the Event Log to see what actually is reported
at the system level?
Cheers,
Luis.

Post by Tiemo Hollmann TB
Hi Luis,
both clients have Win XP, at least one of them SP3 (what works on my
machines with SP3 without problems)
Why should it be ftp? Up to now http works fine.
The client is supposed to log in only once at startup. So I can't
see any
"too frequently".
A driver problem? Which drivers do you think of?
Do you know, if the internet libraries of runrev regard the windows
network
settings, like proxy and DNS? Or do they try to make their own way?
Thanks
Tiemo

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Gesendet: Freitag, 3. April 2009 14:58
An: How to use Revolution
Betreff: Re: help needed: Error 10038 on socket
Is this happening on different OS's? If so, it could be that the
server is blocking connection attempts if it's detecting that your
clients are logging in 'too frequently', some are set to timeout
after 30 minutes to allow another attempt to log in.
How often does the app/client log in?
Cheers,
Luis.

Post by Luis
Hiya,
Shouldn't that be ftp?
Other than that it could be a driver problem. Which version/Patch
level of Windows?
Cheers,
Luis.

Post by Tiemo Hollmann TB
Hello, first of all I want to thank you all great list members who
were so
patient and helpful with me questions and problems. On April 1st I
released
my first real app with rev and without you I would have never
managed it, no
way! Now it is in the market and as with all new products first
problems and
bugs appear, though I had a 3month beta test phase of extensive
tests.
My most urgent problem is "error 10038 on socket" when trying to
This php wants to connect to a mysql db. On most Win and Mac
machines my
script runs without any problems, but now I get several customers
with this
error and they cant start my app (because the result of this php is
mandatory). I tried to switch off the firewall and anti virus with
one
privat customer and to route around a proxy server at a school
installation.
But in booth cases the error remaind the same. Who refuses the
connection to
my php? What does this socket problem tells me? Is there anything
I can code
different?
Has anybody an idea what is happening here and where a starting
point could
be for further researches?
Any help and hints highly appreciated
Tiemo
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[Devin Asay]

Tiemo,

Can these same users get results from the php page by going to this
url into a browser?

Devin

Post by Tiemo Hollmann TB
Hello, first of all I want to thank you all great list members who were so
patient and helpful with me questions and problems. On April 1st I released
my first real app with rev and without you I would have never
managed it, no
way! Now it is in the market and as with all new products first problems and
bugs appear, though I had a 3month beta test phase of extensive tests.
This php wants to connect to a mysql db. On most Win and Mac
machines my
script runs without any problems, but now I get several customers with this
error and they cant start my app (because the result of this php is
mandatory). I tried to switch off the firewall and anti virus with one
privat customer and to route around a proxy server at a school
installation.
But in booth cases the error remaind the same. Who refuses the
connection to
my php? What does this socket problem tells me? Is there anything I can code
different?
Has anybody an idea what is happening here and where a starting point could
be for further researches?

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University

[Tiemo Hollmann TB]

Hi Devin,
see my last answer to Matthias. No they can't. But I can't get a result
either, thought the request runs fine, within my app on my - and lots of
other PCs.
Tiemo

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Gesendet: Freitag, 3. April 2009 20:25
An: How to use Revolution
Betreff: Re: help needed: Error 10038 on socket
Tiemo,
Can these same users get results from the php page by going to this
url into a browser?
Devin

Post by Tiemo Hollmann TB
Hello, first of all I want to thank you all great list members who
were so
patient and helpful with me questions and problems. On April 1st I
released
my first real app with rev and without you I would have never
managed it, no
way! Now it is in the market and as with all new products first
problems and
bugs appear, though I had a 3month beta test phase of extensive tests.
My most urgent problem is "error 10038 on socket" when trying to
This php wants to connect to a mysql db. On most Win and Mac
machines my
script runs without any problems, but now I get several customers
with this
error and they cant start my app (because the result of this php is
mandatory). I tried to switch off the firewall and anti virus with one
privat customer and to route around a proxy server at a school
installation.
But in booth cases the error remaind the same. Who refuses the
connection to
my php? What does this socket problem tells me? Is there anything I
can code
different?
Has anybody an idea what is happening here and where a starting
point could
be for further researches?

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University
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[Bernard Devlin]

Tiemo, as this looks like a tcp/ip socket-level error I did a search
on google, and it seems it is fairly widespread and occurs in diverse
contexts (many different kinds of Windows apps). So, it is a problem
at a deeper level than your app or the server.

http://www.pscs.co.uk/helpdesk/vpop3help/vpop3/socket_error_10038.htm

Several of the linked pages suggest that the solution is that the
client computers with the problem re-install tcp/ip networking:

http://www.pscs.co.uk/helpdesk/vpop3help/vpop3/socket_error_10038.htm
http://forums.techguy.org/networking/752133-solved-webtime-clock-tcp-ip.html

That last page contains some Windows command lines that you could
perhaps distribute as a fix (although obviously this is a bit risky,
as if things go wrong and the Windows machine gets borked, then you
did it!):
Reset TCP/IP stack to installation defaults, type: netsh int ip reset reset.log

Reset WINSOCK entries to installation defaults, type: netsh winsock
reset catalog

Reboot the machine.
<<

Hope that helps,

Bernard

Post by Tiemo Hollmann TB
Hi Devin,
see my last answer to Matthias. No they can't. But I can't get a result
either, thought the request runs fine, within my app on my - and lots of
other PCs.
Tiemo

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Gesendet: Freitag, 3. April 2009 20:25
An: How to use Revolution
Betreff: Re: help needed: Error 10038 on socket
Tiemo,
Can these same users get results from the php page by going to this
url into a browser?
Devin

Post by Tiemo Hollmann TB
Hello, first of all I want to thank you all great list members who were so
patient and helpful with me questions and problems. On April 1st I released
my first real app with rev and without you I would have never
managed it, no
way! Now it is in the market and as with all new products first problems and
bugs appear, though I had a 3month beta test phase of extensive tests.
This php wants to connect to a mysql db. On most Win and Mac
machines my
script runs without any problems, but now I get several customers with this
error and they cant start my app (because the result of this php is
mandatory). I tried to switch off the firewall and anti virus with one
privat customer and to route around a proxy server at a school
installation.
But in booth cases the error remaind the same. Who refuses the
connection to
my php? What does this socket problem tells me? Is there anything I can code
different?
Has anybody an idea what is happening here and where a starting point could
be for further researches?

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University
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[Bernard Devlin]

Sorry, that first URL in my post should have been to the google results:

http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=tcpip+%22error+10038%22&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Bernard

Post by Bernard Devlin
Tiemo, as this looks like a tcp/ip socket-level error I did a search
on google, and it seems it is fairly widespread and occurs in diverse
contexts (many different kinds of Windows apps).  So, it is a problem
at a deeper level than your app or the server.
http://www.pscs.co.uk/helpdesk/vpop3help/vpop3/socket_error_10038.htm
Several of the linked pages suggest that the solution is that the
http://www.pscs.co.uk/helpdesk/vpop3help/vpop3/socket_error_10038.htm
http://forums.techguy.org/networking/752133-solved-webtime-clock-tcp-ip.html
That last page contains some Windows command lines that you could
perhaps distribute as a fix (although obviously this is a bit risky,
as if things go wrong and the Windows machine gets borked, then you
Reset TCP/IP stack to installation defaults, type: netsh int ip reset reset.log
Reset WINSOCK entries to installation defaults, type: netsh winsock
reset catalog
Reboot the machine.
<<
Hope that helps,
Bernard

Post by Tiemo Hollmann TB
Hi Devin,
see my last answer to Matthias. No they can't. But I can't get a result
either, thought the request runs fine, within my app on my - and lots of
other PCs.
Tiemo

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Gesendet: Freitag, 3. April 2009 20:25
An: How to use Revolution
Betreff: Re: help needed: Error 10038 on socket
Tiemo,
Can these same users get results from the php page by going to this
url into a browser?
Devin

Post by Tiemo Hollmann TB
Hello, first of all I want to thank you all great list members who were so
patient and helpful with me questions and problems. On April 1st I released
my first real app with rev and without you I would have never
managed it, no
way! Now it is in the market and as with all new products first problems and
bugs appear, though I had a 3month beta test phase of extensive tests.
This php wants to connect to a mysql db. On most Win and Mac
machines my
script runs without any problems, but now I get several customers with this
error and they cant start my app (because the result of this php is
mandatory). I tried to switch off the firewall and anti virus with one
privat customer and to route around a proxy server at a school
installation.
But in booth cases the error remaind the same. Who refuses the
connection to
my php? What does this socket problem tells me? Is there anything I can code
different?
Has anybody an idea what is happening here and where a starting point could
be for further researches?

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University
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[Tiemo Hollmann TB]

Thank you Bernard,
I'll follow that trace.
"Fixing" the tcp/ip stacks at a customer is indeed a bit risky for me,
because I wouldn't be of much help if anything goes wrong and I would be the
bad guy, as you say. It will be the last strategy.
Thanks
Tiemo

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Gesendet: Samstag, 4. April 2009 10:41
An: How to use Revolution
Betreff: Re: help needed: Error 10038 on socket
http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=tcpip+%22error+10038%2
2&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
Bernard

Post by Bernard Devlin
Tiemo, as this looks like a tcp/ip socket-level error I did a search
on google, and it seems it is fairly widespread and occurs in diverse
contexts (many different kinds of Windows apps).  So, it is a problem
at a deeper level than your app or the server.
http://www.pscs.co.uk/helpdesk/vpop3help/vpop3/socket_error_10038.htm
Several of the linked pages suggest that the solution is that the
http://www.pscs.co.uk/helpdesk/vpop3help/vpop3/socket_error_10038.htm
http://forums.techguy.org/networking/752133-solved-webtime-clock-tcp-

ip.html

Post by Bernard Devlin
That last page contains some Windows command lines that you could
perhaps distribute as a fix (although obviously this is a bit risky,
as if things go wrong and the Windows machine gets borked, then you
Reset TCP/IP stack to installation defaults, type: netsh int ip reset

reset.log

Post by Bernard Devlin
Reset WINSOCK entries to installation defaults, type: netsh winsock
reset catalog
Reboot the machine.
<<
Hope that helps,
Bernard

Post by Tiemo Hollmann TB
Hi Devin,
see my last answer to Matthias. No they can't. But I can't get a result
either, thought the request runs fine, within my app on my - and lots

of

Post by Bernard Devlin

Post by Tiemo Hollmann TB
other PCs.
Tiemo

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Gesendet: Freitag, 3. April 2009 20:25
An: How to use Revolution
Betreff: Re: help needed: Error 10038 on socket
Tiemo,
Can these same users get results from the php page by going to this
url into a browser?
Devin

Post by Tiemo Hollmann TB
Hello, first of all I want to thank you all great list members who
were so
patient and helpful with me questions and problems. On April 1st I
released
my first real app with rev and without you I would have never
managed it, no
way! Now it is in the market and as with all new products first
problems and
bugs appear, though I had a 3month beta test phase of extensive

tests.

Post by Bernard Devlin

Post by Tiemo Hollmann TB

Post by Tiemo Hollmann TB
My most urgent problem is "error 10038 on socket" when trying to
This php wants to connect to a mysql db. On most Win and Mac
machines my
script runs without any problems, but now I get several customers
with this
error and they cant start my app (because the result of this php is
mandatory). I tried to switch off the firewall and anti virus with

one

Post by Bernard Devlin

Post by Tiemo Hollmann TB

Post by Tiemo Hollmann TB
privat customer and to route around a proxy server at a school
installation.
But in booth cases the error remaind the same. Who refuses the
connection to
my php? What does this socket problem tells me? Is there anything I
can code
different?
Has anybody an idea what is happening here and where a starting
point could
be for further researches?

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University
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